Wet timing belt disintegrated, new engine required outside warranty

Faults and Technical chat for the Vauxhall Grandland
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TommoGLXKJN
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Post by TommoGLXKJN »

Just wanted to say that I feared I had the dreaded wet belt issue on my 69 plate glx. My brother who is a mechanic and has serviced my car every time has drained the oil today and ran it through a sieve, to ensure there were no belt particles in the old oil. Thankfully that wasn’t the case and he has changed the oil and cleaned the variable valve timing solenoid that had some build up on it, as well as running a can of valve cleaner through the air inlet and so far it seems to have done the trick. The symptoms i was having were eml lit up, a engine fault repair required warning on start up, and then oil pressure low warning stop immediately flashing up under heavy acceleration on the motorway and having to pull over and turn the engine off before starting again. I’ve been driving the car very much reserved for the past week in the hope it wasn’t going to die on me but now after the oil change and the solenoid cleaning, it seems to have sorted it out 🤞🏻 i should add that i had an error code relating to the knock sensor showing on the computer, the code hasn’t cleared yet, but i’m hoping that now the car is running better again the knock sensor code may clear itself. A build up of carbon and crap around the valves and the vvt solenoid cause the car to run poorly and show up these faults. So before you go back to the dealer thinking it’s the wet belt and your car is on it’s way out, take it to someone you trust who can check the oil and clean the solenoid and see how you go. I’ll confirm on here in a day or two if my car is now right in case you’re having similar problems 👍🏻

scotspie501
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Post by scotspie501 »

Hi
the issue is if you think there a problem then you go fo VX and they read error codes and then they will replace the timing belt and vacuum pump

you need to show VX service history is yours a 1.2 petrol turbo
the only way to be 100% is to drop your sump
send me your e-mail address and i,ll you show the photos
scotspie501
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Post by scotspie501 »

here is the issue

drop the sump

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scotspie501
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Post by scotspie501 »

Hi did you get these
you need to drop the sump

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scotspie501
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Post by scotspie501 »

Hi all

I e-mailed VX customer services and asked what type of oil my Vx uses ,I gave them vin no and HP and they called me and told me i can uses 2x types0/w30and 0/20

I asked them are you sure ,yes sir our data base tells us thisI told them mine is a 2018 and explained the wet timing belt issue,ok thanks for the information
we will update our database
wow from a customer VX will update their own data base
OMG
Grandadland
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Post by Grandadland »

My 'Wet Belt' Experience, Jan 2020 Registered 1.2 Petrol Gradland X SRi NAV, 59500 Miles.

Car came to me on 38,000 Miles in May 2023 from a daily rental co via a 'fleet scheme', so no clue as to its history before it arrived with me. Anyway, over the next 6 months and 22,000 miles (Yep, I get about a bit) the car performed faultlessly. Not the most comfortable of cars, but I had kind of got used to the vehicle.

Anyway, started it up one cold evening, it was 1 degree outside temp, drove about 800 yards, just pulling out the junction at the bottom of my road and the car hesitated and nearly stalled, then I saw the message "Engine oil pressure fault : stop the vehicle". Oooofta, I switched it off, gave it a few seconds and turned it back on again, I.T Helpdesk style. Fault did not re-appear, so I drove on, keeping and eye and ear on things as it got warm, no re-occurrence. I thought it must have been just a bit of muck behind the pressure sensor, or the ECU had done a 'moment'.

Next morning, started car up, reversed out of parking space 'bing' "Engine oil pressure fault : stop the vehicle" ......hang on, that's twice now, both times when cold. I switched off and on again, fault had cleared, so I drove on, again keeping and eye and ear on things as it got warm, no re-occurrence. The onboard showed oil level correct. There was 'no oil under it, so there must be oil in it' but I pulled the dipstick to make sure, it was fine, spot on where you would want it.

I know enough about engines to know that something was beginning to be amiss, so I googled 'Grandland Oil Pressure Warnings' and ended up here. Looks like, TADTS (They All Do That Sir). It made interesting reading. I provided the info, inc the TSB to the Fleet Dept. They concluded that the vehicle was 2k overdue on its service. I pointed out that was strange because it was only serviced 9k ago and even the on-board said 11k to the next service, but large company, you can't tell them. Apparently their fleet manager reckoned an oil and filter change would do it and booked the car in for 7 days time. Good luck with that then. I wasn't sure, especially as those 7 days would mean at least 600 to 800 miles for me, I wasn't too keen on seeing that message appear in the outside lane of the motorway, it would be 'game over' by then. It's not my car, I just drive the thing, but I'm not keen on wrecking an engine, even less keen on being stranded at the side of the road, it would bound to be P****** down with rain.

So when the message popped up within seconds of another stone cold start, It re-enforced my personal conclusion. The welt belt is disintegrating and the crud has partially blocked the oil pick up strainer. When the oil is cold and thicker, it is struggling to suck it through the blocked strainer and throwing a low oil pressure fault. I reverted to the fleet company and said "are you sure you want me to bang on 800 miles" knowing what we do. They suggested involving the AA, to which I replied "Book em Danno".

Just whilst I was waiting, I thought I'll drop a call into the local Vauxhall "main stealers" and see what they say, half expecting them to say, yes it is a known issue. Alas, NO, lady on the phone was very condescending, the VRN showed no recall and she almost told me to FRO. I said how about TSB #E191900630 EB2 engine. Her "system" didn't allow her to access that and TBH, she wasn't really interested. I feel for you owners when the 'professionals' know less than the amateurs, you know you have a fight on your hands.

Anyway, the AA rocked up. I showed the guy a photo of the dash message and explained it has only happened when cold, and three times over the last three days. Once warmed up, it was ok until the next 'stone cold' start. He plugged in his OBD tool, started the engine up (no fault displayed, because once the vehicle has been started and switched off, it clears, based on the last three cold starts). He had a look in the oil filler aperture and concluded the same as me, wet belt is disintegrating, blocking the oil pick up. He acknowledged that TADTS, exactly what I had said.

Out with his "Rapid Deployment Trailer', loaded it up, and off it went. I doubt very much if I swill see that vehicle again, but if it helps out you owners avoid wrecking an engine, then I've given something back. The thing is, if it is caught in time, then a new wet belt, a new oil pick up strainer (or even a good clean out of the old) and the engine can most likely be saved. If I were you guys, If you get the issue, I would just phone dealer after dealer after dealer until you get to one that knows which way is up.

60,000 miles and the timing belt is borked, not good is it. Mind you, reading some of the mileages, 60k looks to be a good innings. But of course, I don't know what went on during the 38k before the car arrived with me, could it even be the second belt?
daveb1089
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Post by daveb1089 »

Another update on my wet belt project. I had the work completed three weeks ago and the car seems okay, although the engine sounds as though it’s hunting on idle, but it isn’t. The rev counter is rock steady. Not sure what is causing that. Anyone else get that? Of course, no reimbursement yet for the hiring of a car, but I’m getting pushed around from one person to another, all claiming it’s not their problem. It’s only the best part of £2000 🙄🙄. I guessed at the onset that this would happen. Not a pleasant experience dealing with CC., but three times they assured me there wouldn’t be a problem.
Daveb1089
Grandland X 1.2 20 (70) Elite Nav Premium Turbo, LED Headlights, 8 Speed Gearbox. Moon Roof 19” wheels, Folding/Dipping Door Mirrors, Heated and Ventilated Leather Seats, Heated Flat Bottomed Steering Wheel. Foot-kicker Boot Opener, Blue
Grandadland
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Post by Grandadland »

I posted my recent experience in an "oil pressure forum thread"

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mattyharrison20
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Post by mattyharrison20 »

Hi my girlfriend has the Grandland X on finance through Drive Vauxhall, yesterday the dashboard lit up with the STOP sign and then the oil pressure light. we managed to get it looked at with a local garage they mentioned the Wet Belt will need changing. ive read a few posts about this whole situation with the grandland and Wet Belt situation i suppose im looking for advice really! Can we go back to Drive Vauxhall and have anything to fight against as we where not made aware of the current belt and it needing a replacement or is it going to be a case of us paying a hefty price

thanks
Matty
scotspie501
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Post by scotspie501 »

Hi Matty

this happened to my wifes car send me a e-mail to scotspie501@hotmail.com and i,ll send you the info I have
my wifes car is a 2018 1.2 turbo they know this issue its the oil they used 0/30w and should be 0/20w
if you have a full service history then raise a call with VX customer service ,they 100% know this issue exsists
I<ve spokne to at least 5 people on here get ready for a fight
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